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FOMATPLAY okay, thank you Celia for being here and having joined the project. The first question that I wanna ask you is to tell us about your journey. So what brought you here in Naples? CELIA actually, if I'm honest, it was in a therapy session I went to talk with my psychologist and I was talking about... I just came back from a holiday in Napoli; so I was talking to her like "I don't know why I'm so... I have this need to live there but I don't know if it's me being impulsive or is really something that I should do" and she said to me "this is something that you have thought for a long time?" and I was like "yeah, it has for so many years" she was like "then it's not that impulse it's a wish. can you make it through?" and I'm like "yeah. I have some ways to make it through". And she was like "so you should do it. So she pushed me a lot and she gave me the inspiration and all that. So I came home and I started to look for things. I know before that that the Solidarity European Code existed, because I tried to use it before but it didn't work. In December I was like "okay, I'm gonna try again" and I applied to some... I was-; the only thing that I was knew was that I wanted to come here in Italy so I applied for some cities because I wanted to live in a city, not in a town. So I applied to, like, Milano, Roma, Napoli and in the next 2 days I received an email from Healing Napoli. I did the interview and I got selected. FOMATPLAY Oh, wow! CELIA It's a beautiful story. FOMATPLAY it is, yes. And how was your experience of living in the city? different from just visiting the city? CELIA it was a huge difference in my opinion. When I used to come here for holidays, because I came like multiple times, I was like "wow, the city of my dreams. I have so much fun, people are so open, so funny" because I experience like the party, dating, like the stereotypical tourist adventure that you can get here in Napoli. But when I came to leave and I actually joined Napoli as one citizen, I guess as a normal person and not as a tourist the difference was huge. FOMATPLAY in what way? CELIA first of all, because when you come to see it as a tourist you don't feel the need to adapt, you just are yourself in another city for two, three, four days. But you come, If you go to live in a city you feel the need to adapt because if not, first of all, things don't work for you and second you feel different, you feel that you don't fit in. So Napoli is a very unique city, it is really different. So it's not as easy to adapt, in my opinion, to other cities. So, first I have to adopt a lot of different things that are really unique here that I have never experienced before in my life. FOMATPLAY for example? CELIA for example... first of all the way that public spaces, public services all these things that should be taken care of don't work as they should in my opinion. I have never experienced that before, thank God, because in my city, more or less, everything works out. So for me that was a shock. Not only because I suffer it in my own skin and I feel it because to have this this thought that "actually people live here and they just stay. it is what it is. and either you accept it and you try to live your life or you, you can leave". It is not something that is like "but no, if you do this..." No, it is what it is. That was a huge thing to me to accept and, like, feel it. The way they behaved, people behaved in Napoli is very unique. I personally... I cannot say I've had a bad experience, because my experience has been great with, with everyone. I feel very welcomed in the city but it's very different. I think people here are getting, still getting a bit used to tourists, to foreigners so going into the street and talking English or trying to communicate with someone in English is a really weird experience. Especially we that we live in a town we are in the streets talking in English and everyone looks at us; everyone is confused with our presence. So adapting to at that... At this point I'm like "okay they are just curious, it's not it's not that big of a deal". But at the beginning you feel maybe I don't fit in, maybe, maybe I should not be here. And, yeah, I think those are the two most things.... FOMATPLAY are you still struggling with the first one? CELIA yeah, yeah, I would say so. yeah it comes to a point that you have to make a choice like "are you are you going to accept it and are you going to live this way or not?". For me the goods are more than the bads so I wanna be here. So I'm like; I got to a point where I was like "it is what it is, just live with it". But still in the in your mind at the house, in home, it's really nice to say that, but when you're trying to go to work or just trying to meet with someone, you're trying to be punctal, you are trying to be on time and you wanna be this this kind of person and I still get frustrated; I still get frustrated. Not that much because you have to think like it's not my fault, it doesn't have-; it has nothing to do with me. But you still get frustrated because you should have the right to move freely and.... so I still get frustrated. Not that much, I have to say but yeah, of course. FOMATPLAY okay. Can you tell us more, maybe, about the pros of living in a city like Naples? CELIA The pros, like the positive things? FOMATPLAY yeah, exactly. CELIA um... wa-; to me, personally, I feel really connected to the city. I really like how alive the city is. It has this kind of energy. People are really open and they're really trying to make you have a good experience, which is not usual at all especially in countries that are not like Italy; like it's your responsibility to have a good time. Here everyone feels is their responsibility that you have a good time. So if you go to a restaurant everyone is nice. So to live in this kind of environment is really welcoming. Also, that for me the nature and the the area were Napoli is located is one of the most beautiful scenes in the world so to me it's kind of a privilege to, to be here and enjoy this view or this environment every day. I don't know what else... FOMATPLAY that's enough. CELIA it's enough? FOMATPLAY yeah. if you come up with something else we can go back to that later. CELIA okay, thank you. FOMATPLAY can you tell us something about your linguistic journey? so you speak Italian as well, right? So how was it for you to learn Italian and to speak it? CELIA I was kind of forced. Not forced but it was mandatory because when I did Erasmus I went to kind of a private university. To me, obviously, it was free because I did it through the European Union. Then they asked every student to have a level of Italian like B1 or A2. So I was kind of forced to study Italian before coming to Italy. I did a little course to to kind of learn the basic things. It worked because I felt more comfortable in Italy but the Italian level that I have now has nothing to do with Italian classes. It was all because I pushed myself to surround myself with Italians and try to have a conversation. Actually, in my opinion, the biggest thing to learn is to listen; like people having a conversation even if they are not talking to you. Or going to the street and try not to listen to music. To me I think that was the biggest turning point of my language journey: try to listen this expression or this is how this is called. Supermarket, the bus, the train... At this point I think I have a good Italian level but I still don't feel comfortable, for example, doing this kind of things in Italian. Because I don't feel like I can express myself the way I want but yeah. FOMATPLAY do you think that knowing Italian is key to adapting within neighbors and Itlay in general? CELIA yeah. Yeah in my opinion it is because um... you can fool yourself, in my opinion, and say "no, because there are people that speak in English", which is true, there are a lot of people that speak English. But then in your everyday life problems, this situation that can happen if you're trying to live here; like, for example, the train is delayed or you're trying to talk to your landlord because the sink is broken. These little aspects that make your life a bit difficult you have to speak Italian. You just have to. Because no one is going to understand you. I kind of live this through my roommates. Yes, some of them they speak Italian, but to a basic level. So this kind of conversations, they are like, they look at me like "did you understand it? what should we do?". This is really confusing, life here is very fast so maybe it's not mandatory that you speak Italian to live here but to feel comfortable and to feel safe in my opinion is absolutely.... FOMATPLAY hmm right. And how was your Eramsus experience different from the experience that you're doing at the moment in Naples? Can you tell us more about that? CELIA yeah. To me it was completely different because here I'm actually surrounded by Italians. I live, I'm living the city; I'm, I'm working now, in a working environment. So I'm kind of forced to move, to explore, to... "go to this place and meet this person that wants to talk to you" and when I was doing the Erasmus it was a bubble. It's a bit like a little ecosystem that you create for yourself especially with the Spanish people that were are very close to each other. You create a little ecosystem. In my opinion I can say that I know more Napoli in three months that I knew Rome in seven months. My life was so limited. Just going out, going out to dinner to the same places. Also your mindset is the biggest turning point because when you are in Erasmus you are like "I wanna party, I wanna make friends, I wanna travel" but here I wanna know the city, I wanna learn Italian, I wanna... So me forcing myself is changing the experience completely. FOMATPLAY Can you tell us more about the working environment and the work that you have to do now? CELIA yeah, of course. Right now the work is divided into different spaces: one is an office in Napoli, is the Europe Direct in Napoli, and one is in Ponticelli, the neighborhood. Some days we have to go, I have to go to the Europe Direct and some days I have to go to Ponticelli. For me, personally, Ponticelli is that kind of a space that you have to speak Italian in. We were talking about it before. Because no one, or almost anyone, speaks English. Especially me, I work, I work in the library of the of the neighborhood. I wanna help, I wanna communicate, I wanna... every colleague is Italian. They are more comfortable talking in Italian. So they talk in Italian to each other. if I didn't talk Italian I would be completely lost. You don't feel part of it. So yeah, in the library I go there and I help the people that work in the library. I help to catalog. If someone wants to talk to me and have a conversation I, of course, I would love to do that. In the office um.... I'm gonna start a Spanish course and if we are not doing that we are kind of helping, giving a hand to the people that work in the office. Like "can you help me research this topic about German university? or related to your country?" most of the time... FOMATPLAY okay and how is the working environment? CELIA to me it has been great, actually. This one is one of the biggest things that I am enjoying about Napoli because these people that we are working with... they really feel the international feeling so... of course, they are Italian; they feel Italian but they are so welcoming and they are curious about where are you from. Why are you choosing to be here? like so um... to feel that people care about your presence here is really important. Because volunteering sometimes you, you feel like "what am I doing here?", like "this does not make sense". So all these people that are Italian say they care about the environment, they, they are into... they care about your present and they tell you "what you're doing is important don't forget it. Your presence is important". And also not only the people that we work with that more or less you can understand why they feel international. Because they are educated, they work in this field... but also the users of, for example, the library or the uses of the Euro Direct. They want to know, they are curious about you. So in my opinion I feel very welcomed, I've never felt rejected and yeah... FOMATPLAY have you ever experienced some kind of hostility towards foreign people coming to Naples from your perspective? CELIA actually no. Not at all. Here in Napoli, no. In Roma I had some weird, I would say, or some uncomfortable experiences. FOMATPLAY For example? CELIA for example it happened to me multiple times that I was in the metro and it's a fact that we as Spanish people we speak very loud. it's a fact, I'm not gonna deny it. It's not with bad intention, it's just, is... by mistake, I don't know how to say that... yeah, so we were talking in the metro like about random things "Oh this happened..." and multiple times people said like "shut up!" yeah, like "shut up! you're, you're bothering the whole train". And I was like "oh my God! this is shocking". And also in a train to... I think, I don't remember where I was going but to another city. It was like a proper train, not metro. I chose to have a seat like "can I sit here?" and I'd said it in Italian but my Italian... you can see I'm not Italian. And she was like "can you not choose another seat?" and I was like "actually no. I just, I wanna see it here now. Now I, now I wanna seat here even more, you know?" and uh... she started to insult me in Italian. I obviously understand and she was saying this kind of things like "go back to your country because you're bothering me". These two experiences I had in Rome. Yeah, in Rome. In Rome. FOMATPLAY Not in Naples? CELIA In Naples I have never experienced this kind of.... actually the opposite. FOMATPLAY why do you think that happened to you? CELIA actually I had this thought today, um... because, in my opinion, Neapolitans are still adapting to this tourist wave that is eating them. It's not that easy to see the long term consequences something that is happening right now is going to have. You have to be really educated in the top page you have to be... to have to have huge conversations about it. if you're just a normal person that works, maybe you are just still seeing the positive things. But, for example, in Rome they have been experiencing this for so many years since the-; since the world begun. yeah, forever. So I can understand why they are tired of this kind of Spanish people screaming in the metro. They want to go home and they want to relax because they have been working the whole day. And here I am, screaming and having a party in the metro or to have a walk in the city, or to go for dinner; everything is packed. So I can, I can understand why. There's a point that I'm like "I'm done. I'm done with these foreigners". And you encounter me one time and you take this range, this thing that you feel upon someone that maybe has nothing to do with that but.... FOMATPLAY okay. Have you experienced some kind of difficulties when coming here or living here? CELIA difficulties in what way? FOMATPLAY on any level. bureaucratic level, cultural level, social level.... CELIA yes, of course I have experienced some... first of all, this thing that I talked about: the public transport. That was really difficult to me because I was not used to it at all. Also adopting to the way people choose to live. It's not hard, but it's difficult to wrap your head, your mind around that. For example, you go, you arrive to a place. "should we?" "Oh no. let's have a coffee and we will see". Adapting to this kind of behavior is a bit difficult. The cultural things I don't know. Maybe sometimes it's a bit hard, this crazy living. This what I was talking about. When you're a tourist it is amazing. Is like "wow, this is so alive. People are crazy". But when you live here, for example, you are having a bad day or you just wanna go home, all this noise, all these screams, people screaming in the street or this behavior that some men have. At some point you find it funny if you're happy being here for a week. But if you are living here there some days I'm like "I'm done with this with this behavior". it's... and it's really different from the place I came from. So that was... that is still hard sometimes. I think that this is going to be always hard for me. For the rest of it.... no. FOMATPLAY are you planning to stay in Naples any longer after your volunteering experience or...? CELIA I'm planning to stay in Italy, that's for sure. But I don't know if I would choose Napoli, Naples as the main city. I will have to see because right now I'm still adapting. Maybe in some months I find myself in the city and I found my place or my.... so I'm like "oh no, I'm 100% staying here". but I'm still finding myself, I'm still trying to look for my place, my environment; to find myself, basically. But if right now you ask me like "would you stay in Napoli?" I would say "no. I would like to go to Rome, I would like to go to Milano, I would like to...". But it's not something that I say completely no because I really like the city. I really enjoy the city and I think it's an amazing city. But this the things that you always talk about, like, finding a job, a well-paid one. Because I wanna have some quality of living. I will have... long term hmm... FOMATPLAY can you tell us, maybe, what you think about freedom of movement and how you have experienced freedom of movement within the regio, but also within the country, but also within Europe? CELIA related to transport? FOMATPLAY but also the possibility to move across countries or places. How have you experienced this? CELIA um.... I don't understand fully the question. FOMATPLAY so, um... you've lived in Italy, right? and that's it. But have you traveled around Europe? CELIA Yeah, I have. FOMATPLAY and how was the experience of moving freely around Europe? CELIA okay, I think I understand. Yeah, I have had a great experiences travelling through Europe. I've never found any difficulties to do whatever I want, basically, in the sense of of traveling. Coming from Spain to Italy, we're very close so for me it has been really easy not only because we like each other a lot so we go back and forth a lot; there is a lot of planes, there is a lot of options to, to come here that are usually really cheap. So coming to Italy or going back to Spain is really, really easy. Moving through Italy, in, actually, my opinion, is amazing because I compare it to Spain. In Spain that are not many companies that offer you are right, or offer you the possibility to move. So there's not so much competition. Here there are a lot of businesses, a lot of companies that have work here. So the offer is so big that the prices are so low. So for me, as a person that wants to discover Italy, I was shocked because you can go from Napoli to Rome for €3. To me that was shocking because in Spain, no, you have to pay a lot of money if you want to do a... one hour ride is maybe 50 euros. FOMATPLAY have you ever thought of about leaving abroad, besides Spain and Italy? CELIA I have thought about it, yeah. Multiple times but I don't know. I don't know if I would find myself that comfortable. I don't know. Maybe I don't think about that cause I don't wanna think like I'm scared or something like that. But maybe I am. I've thought about it a lot but um... the only time that I went to a not Mediterranean country it was the United Kingdom. I went to London. I had such a bad experience with English people. I didn't feel welcome at all. FOMATPLAY in terms of what? FOMATPLAY in terms of... I was, I was young. I don't remember how how old I was. It was many years ago so my English was not that good. But in my opinion, of course I compare myself with all the Spanish people that don't speak at all, but it was not that bad and I was with my little sister. She's perfect at English. So, like, this cannot be a problem at all. Then I arrived and I tried to order a coffee, a sandwich. This, this stupid interactions. I found a lot of difficulties and a lot of walls. Like "I don't understand you". What should I do? I'm talking in English. What else can I do to feel more welcome? to feel-; you're trying a lot and it's not reciprocated. So, I was like "okay, I'm never going back to England. I hate it" and there are lot of Spanish people that go there, this are a lot of jobs but I had such a bad experience. I was thinking like, I think I'm never going to feel welcomed here. And actually, if I think about this, all these Spanish people that move to the North, Global North, like um... Norway, England... They always surround themselves with more Spanish people, or Italians, or Portuguese. They are always together, their group friends... so the only reason to go there is to earn more money. In my opinion, in my head or in my expectation of living if I go to live in another country, it is for experiences, the whole culture, the whole way of living, to really feel part of the community, to become Italian at some points. So going to London to earn €500 mode a month and being so isolated... I mean, to me it's not an option. But.. FOMATPLAY since you mentioned London what do you think about Brexit? Do you have memories about that? CELIA yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. To me when I was watching that at home I was like "oh, this makes absolute sense based on my experience" because... I was talking to my sister like "they are so racist to us" which... it was not that bad. It was me feeling sad. But actually if you talk to to people that have traveled there, everyone agrees that it makes sense. No one says "wow, I'm shocked that they made that decision", "wow, I'm shocked that the Brexit won", no one says that because everyone, more or less, could feel that they were not comfortable with our presence and with our.... okay... with our-; with us being in there. If you talk to some people that have lived there or people that go like for a year to earn money and then come back, most of them have this kind of... not racist, because it's not based on facts, it is more based on thoughts. These kind of experiences that make you feel like you are not welcome, that you don't belong there. So, I think it makes sense. Do I agree with the decision? actually yeah. This freedom of choice... if they are not comfortable to me it's not, it's not a problem. But I'm saying this from a point of view that... I don't know anything about economics, I don't know anything about politics, so maybe for the economic or the... it was awful. But in the sense of socially being in the way the world, to me I think it was an improvement for them. So... FOMATPLAY do you feel that Brexit affected you in some way or..? CELIA not really, no. To me not at all. But actually my little sister she studied English languages in university; and of course if you study this kind of things the most logical movement is to go to an English speaking country. Either you go to England or United Kingdom or you go to America, Canada, United States... but the closest one is... and she didn't want to go because she felt she was not going to be welcomed. Of course, because they publicly said "no, this stops here". So she I was like "you know what? I don't wanna go. Because if I had a bad experience or...". Now you have to do a lot more things to go there, to travel. It is not about only your... being Spanish is not enough. You have to do more things, so it kind of... I could see a bit of the impact that had on some people through my little sister. FOMATPLAY okay. What do you think about Europe as an institution, on the contrary? CELIA uh... it has a huge impact in lives, in everyday life in a way we don't notice. First of all, through the money they give. I don't know how it works here in Italy but I think more less very similar to our country. To be allowed to get some money from the European Union you have to, you have to agree to some things that you're going to do. For example, if you get money for the environment the change that wants to be done. Okay, you have to agree to this, you have to, for example, little things like... there has to be the same amount of men and the same amount of women in your company. These little laws or these little impositions that the European Union do in everyday life at the end it has a huge impact in the way we live every day. The opportunity it brings as a citizen it's huge. I mean, I have I was born in the European Union so I don't know other things. if I talk to my grandma, if I talk to some people that didn't know the European, the European Union before, if you think about it in an objective way it is shocking that you have the ability to travel in every country you want just for being you. Like just for being a citizen. Not anything else is asked, nothing else is mandatory. To have these great experiences they are promoting. To me it is a huge, it is a huge way of thinking and feel European and feel you are part of something that is bigger than you and can give you a lot. It makes me really sad that people are not that educated in this thing, not in the European Union, but in all the possibilities that are just a call away, or email away. It is not that hard. It is really easy. So, yeah... FOMATPLAY do you feel you have a European identity then? CELIA yeah, I do. I completely do. FOMATPLAY what kind of features do you think this European identity, I don't know, displays or...? CELIA like skills or the personality? FOMATPLAY everything. CELIA to feel European... first of all ,the thing that you should feel is that we are all part of something and it's the same thing, it's not different. Of course we are different that's why we have our own identity. But we are part of something that is bigger. That's the first thing you should, you should understand. The second thing should be being open to dialogue, being open to different points of view. If you're not really educated on listening, on trying to understand that people are different for you maybe you have a hard time in this European environment. Because people are very different and we have very different points of view. Relying on the fact that we are all Europeans and we all are part of something you try to understand, you try to communicate, you respect everyone. So I think that's the, that's the biggest thing. FOMATPLAY can you think of any other features? CELIA um.... I'm thinking features that they are related to, to the volunteering because we did that in Rome and I have that on mind. Let me think for a bit.... FOMATPLAY you can tell us more about that if you want. CELIA it was related to, obviously, to the European Union but especially to be an a volunteer. So you're like what is, what do you think is necessary to be a European volunteer. This kind of fact that you have to be... solidarity; This kind of things that are not that related to any of them because you're gonna have the European feeling and not feel that it is a must. The thing that we all share and also this kind of not written things that we all have agreed to be part of something. For example human rights, gay rights, for example. We're talking about this today. Women Equality, say no to racism... these all things that the European Union is very strong about and very.... they put a lot of importance in this kind of things. So if you don't align yourself with this way of thinking I don't think you're gonna find the space in this kind of environment. Of course you can do Eramsus being racist. That's, that's true. But I don't think, apart from that, I don't think you will have the same experience or you will have the same opportunities. Do you think these values and principles exist in practice as well, in reality? CELIA I don't know... in all Europe, not at all. Not at all, but in this European environment yes. So if you identify yourself as a European as someone that is part of the European Union you present yourself like that of course you're aligned with this kind of thinking. The fact is that people are so confused about this topic and not really into it, because it's not promoted. it's not... that they don't feel European. So as you are not feeling European, why should I care? it has some kind of impact in my everyday life? no. So, of course I want human rights but that is not my problem. My problem is my house, my family. yeah, actually talking about that you should be comfortable enough in your everyday life. Like we were talking about we're really privileged. We are. So as we as privileged people that all our basic needs are covered, we have money. we have the possibility to say "hey guys, we have to care about human rights. hey guys, we have to care about pollution". But there are some people that have bigger problems. So also to feel European you have to be kind of privileged in this, in this way, not in other ways. But you have this. You have to be educated; have the possibility to be educated, which not everyone has it. FOMATPLAY do you, do you feel you have a national identity as well, CELIA a Spanish one? yeah and I have found it here. Yeah, because I didn't care. This is what I'm talking about, like when I'm living in Spain I have better things to think about; I have a job, I have a family, I have a house, I have some friends, I have some responsibilities. So in my everyday life I never think about Spain as a country or a nation or as feeling. Just I live here, point. Like it is what it is. Coming here I found it a bit when I was in Rome but not as strongly as here. Coming here and having these talks with people that are educated and they can give me their points of view, I feel like wow I'm really lacking first of all; and second of all, you learn to value what you have when you compare it with other people. It was.... at least for me, it's not the best thing you should, you should valuate as it is but you, you uh.... they, they um.... force you to to be proud, in some kind of way. Like "hey! you're from Spain. You talk, in Italy they are very passionate about the Spain. So they go " I love Spain, it's so beautiful. And you start to think like, actually yeah. it is beautiful. It is nice and you miss some things so you start to value them and they are like "you're here as a Spanish person so you represent the Spain". When you're in a foreigner country you're kind of the representation because if you met me and I'm a horrible person to you you don't want to say "why Spanish people are disgusting?" but you only met me. So you feel this kind of pressure, of this kind of responsibility that you should be nice, you should... because everyone is going to ask you about where are you from and I'm from Spain. So to give this idea, to represent the country. So I day by day I'm like "well, I'm Spanish. Like I really am Spanish, I love my country, I love my job". it's really unique to travel and find this feeling. FOMATPLAY in what way you feel you are Spanish? which are the features of, again, a Spanish identity? CELIA yeah, yeah. First of all, the biggest thing is the way I socialize, the way I've been taught to behave in social environments which is um.... is different. For example, I live with people from the north of Europe so I found myself having this weird, not weird, but kind of uncomfortable moment. For example, Victoria is German. So her little sister came, so she introduced me to her and have heard talks about her every day because she's really passionate about her family. "Oh my little sister, my little sister". So I encounter them like "hi" and I go like try to give two kisses and she was like, kind of like a bit uncomfortable or kind of like "oh no, no". I don't do that because I'm really sweaty I don't want you to touch me. But you can, you can see it's all that... it's not about that. And yeah, it's... you, you, you feel when you are approaching someone and they are kind of like "what? why? why is this girl hugging me? why is this girl?" So you compare yourself to other people and you're like "wow, this is really unique". this is not normal behavior to some people. For me it's normal, but it's not normal. it's normal in Spain so in the way I socialize, in the way I treat other people, in the way I feel we are Spanish. people are really welcoming. We like to know a lot about people. We are not this kind of "all these tourists". We like tourists, most of the time. This is a really strong topic. So I find myself here behaving like that and I'm like "oh this is not normal because not everyone behaves like that, so this is very Spanish". So I feel very Spanish in that way and I saw the cultural things. like.... I personally appreciate a lot the culture, the folklore and all that of the of the country. Here, you talk about that a lot. In Spain you never talk about tortilla or about flamingo because you live there. But here you talk about that a lot and you, you find yourself resonating on or thinking about some things. I'm like "oh yes, I really like this. I really like that. I'm really big on cooking tortilla. In Spain it is normal but here it is not normal. So I kind of feel very Spanish in this, in this way of behaving and being with other people. in other things not that much. FOMATPLAY You also feel you have, or are developing, I don't know, an Italian identity? and if so in what way? CELIA I wouldn't say an Italian identity. I would say that I'm learning how to behave and how not to feel weird or not feel that I'm different. I really feel the need to do it because I wanted to be part of everywhere, part of everything. I wouldn't say an Italian identity because, I don't know if you would agree, but I don't think here in Napoli is not about Italian identities, is more about Neapolitan identity. So for me, finding myself as a Neapolitan identity is absolutely impossible. It's not only about the looks or not. It's about a huge thing, a huge thing that as a foreigner you're never going to be able to fully understand. So no. I always feel Spanish everywhere I go I never feel Italian, but not an identity but yeah... I feel more adopted. FOMATPLAY where do you feel you belong? where's home? CELIA um... to me everywhere, actually. I don't feel connected to a place specifically. Obviously I found my comfort zone where I was born because my friends are there, my family is there . I don't feel the need to come back. I was talking to Spanish guy the other day and he was like "well, I cannot wait to come back. And he just arrived" He's like "I just miss my family so much". I don't have this kind of feeling, I just uh... the want to explore and the want to live abroad, and the want to hit is much more higher than the one to have a home in my little space. So I, me personally, personally, I think I could find my home here. I could find my home everyone. FOMATPLAY is there anything that you absolutely miss about Spain? CELIA about my, my usual life? or about Spain as a country? FOMATPLAY both. CELIA about my usual life, I miss my family a lot. A lot because I'm very familiar so obviously I miss this comfort that only family gives you. It is impossible to find somewhere else. This comfort that you feel safe, you feel protected. Ther's always going to be your mom. When you're in a foreign country it's completely gone. You're by yourself, you're alone, figure it out. That I miss a lot. Spain as a country um.... I feel this um.... calm, I need this calm feeling when you are um... part of something, when you feel really, really part of a group or really part of a city. You can be absolutely yourself and you can be absolutely calm because you are part of it. it's not that you are getting into it, no, you're just part of it. So this kind feeling I've never experienced here. I don't feel part of Napoli. I feel I'm trying to push myself into Napoli. So this calm feeling that "I just have a beer or". I don't feel it and I miss that a lot. FOMATPLAY okay, so we reached the end of the interview. I'm gonna now ask you some questions and you can give me very short answers. So define freedom of movement in one sentence. CELIA It is the ability to choose your path in life. FOMATPLAY how would you sum up your freedom of moment experiences across Europe so far? CELIA how were they? FOMATPLAY yes, how would you sum them up. CELIA ah, okay sorry. I would sum them up as great experiences and they made me feel very lucky and part of something. In a few words how would you feel if your freedom of movement was removed? CELIA trapped, unlucky and um... I don't know how to say that in that word-; in one word, maybe you can help me, but uh.... when someone takes away um... FOMATPLAY deprived maybe? CELIA yeah, deprived of, yeah, of education, of everything. FOMATPLAY where's home and where do you feel you belong? CELIA I just said my home, I think, it's everywhere and I feel I belong in Italy. FOMATPLAY what do you miss the most about your home country? CELIA I miss my family and I miss the feeling of being part of something, being a part of the city. FOMATPLAY would you take the same decisions today? CELIA yes. FOMATPLAY why so? CELIA because they have brought me here and they have helped me to... the choices that I made are aligned with my wishes and the things I wanna do. So I wouldn't change anything, even if I make a mistake, in my opinion I'm moving in the right direction so... FOMATPLAY who are you? could you define yourself using 3 or 4 words? CELIA um well... uh, related to my skills, for example? FOMATPLAY your essence or your identity or whatever you... yes CELIA um... uh communication and creativity. hmm.... kindness. Well I love myself. I won't say one bad thing and... I don't know, this... help me with this word please, like when you're, when you really want to do things... FOMATPLAY ambitious? CELIA yeah ambitious or passionate FOMATPLAY passionate, okay. This was amazing thank you thank you so much.