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FOMATPLAY okay thank you Pauline. first of all for having accepted this and joined the project. The first question is about your journey. so can you tell us, maybe, a little bit about you know? how it all started and what brought you here? Pauline okay so... first it started as trying to find a master's that was interesting. For that master I had to do an internship in England and while I was doing it they changed the outcome of the master's and it was no longer what I was looking for. so I discovered the world of language schools over there and I was doing my internship in a language school in Salisbury, receiving lots of Italians, Spanish, French, German and I just loved it. So I discovered I could do CELTA, and travel and work at the same time. so my work would pay for my travel. um so I stayed a year and a half with them; once this was done I got the opportunity to do my CELTA with them and then I went on to work in Russia. Covid hit so I stayed longer than expected but I met people from all over the world and I met my friend, who's also my flatmate now; and she came back before Covid; and then after she found a job here and she said "well, would you like to try different experience and working in an international school this time?". and that's how I ended up here, in this place now. FOMATPLAT okay. how has it been so far? so do you like the...? PAULINE it is very different. so on one side I'm enjoying an international school because the kids want more out of it. it's not just a public school, where not every kid wants to be there. On the other side I am not very keen on the organization-, organizational skills around here and I don't know... I was expecting a bit more like Spain and it's not. FOMATPLAY how about it? PAULINE people are friendly and welcoming but at the same time they are not inclusive; they are not easy to make friends with and nothing is planned beforehand: everything has to be done as an emergency. As a teacher that needs to be organized because there's no way around it. it's very stressful and demoivating because whatever we plan, we know, like, there's no other way around it; it will fall apart because of unplanned visits, unplanned parties, or we were expected to like treat every single, like, day for international Building, International Day of the Earth. We can't end the program in all of those; and in my opinion, what I'm seeing now is international schools here are too much of an image that they were reflecting rather than what the kids are actually learning; and it's slowing down the process. FOMATPLAY okay. So, what kind of image do you think they want to present? PAULINE perfect, Instagram-ready. and it's literally it: even the notebooks have to be picture perfect. I do not agree with the subjects... it will probably be my last year. FOMATPLAY fair enough. and how about the sociographical context have you found in here. PAULINE um... I wouldn't say much about it, because as I said it's hard to make friends with local Italians; like we see them at school with their colleagues even if we're friendly we don't see them outside school. I've met more American people through this institution in Naples than Italians in streets, let's say. FOMATPLAY and how often do you get to go to Naples? PAULINE whenever I want to. it's quite easy to get to. let's say, at least twice a month over the weekend. sometimes we try to visit different places whenever we can. FOMATPLAY and do you think that your life would be different if you lived in Naples? PAULINE um... I, I wouldn't know because I am not a big... um person; like on the outings, during the weekend at least. so I wouldn't go just to take a coffee a bit after work; that's not me. so I don't think that would change much because then at the weekend, when I have time, I can still go to Naples; I can still go to other places. and I think in that way is also easier here because it's cheaper. because we're not in Naples. and it's also like a shorter commute to work. FOMATPLAY okay how about your linguistic experience in Italy? PAULINE it's hard. sorry. I try, between my French and Spanish, to get to understand Italians but you guys speak really fast and here so many people are using [Napoletano] and... like shortening every end of the words. I don't already understand, like, the proper Italian; so if you're shortening the words, it's even harder. um so... it took a while to get there but eventually it's close enough to either French or Spanish to get around. FOMATPLAY so who do you speak Italian with? PAULINE my kids, when I discipline them. or my colleagues because our common language is English, my family is French, with my other friends is English... Italian is just outside of the house. FOMATPLAY and how do you feel when you speak Italian? PAULINE it depends. When I come out here in the morning or in the afternoon is fine. when I have to deal with work at kids all day past 6:37, I'm really tired and it gets harder. and there's like a lot more mistakes in it but you just get by. I think once you've gotten used to leaving abroad you know that there are gonna be some steps you have to overcome to be able to communicate no matter what is happening. FOMATPLAY so what are your plans after Italy? PAULINE so I think I'll join this master's with Finland. It looks very interesting. as of to where next I don't know yet I would like something maybe warm enough. I am not very keen on the weather here. like I'm enjoying this nice like more summer but it's too hot. I miss Moscow, strangely enough. I think somewhere a little bit north from here, in Europe; because I really want to be able to jump back on a plane to get home quickly enough, whenever I want to. FOMATPLAY can you tell us more about this easiness of jumping on a train and getting back back home? so how have you experienced freedom of movement within Europe? PAULINE well, having grown up in all this area of Shengen and all of that, I have never realized what the trouble it could be for other people. because even when I was younger, I was a teen, almost maybe 13, I went to the US or Canada but it was no more than 90 days. I've never had troubles and never had to do any passport-, uh, visa, sorry. so it was very easy. and then when I started like leaving more abroad, I realized what a hassle all the visas are and what other people have to jump through to get in any other countries. first, it's so easy. like when I was a student I literally just said okay "I'm going to Spain". I didn't have to do my passport, didn't have to open a new account; I was using everything that I was using in France. Even in England; even with a different currency, it was still very easy before Brexit. I didn't have to ask myself any questions of insurance or money or visa. it was also easy. the difference, I would say, is here. although you have the movement is quite easy. depending on your job you can encounter more difficulties. so to be hired at the school I had to get my diplomas translated; which to me was a little bit weird because we've been told that all our masters and license-, and undergrads are European. so they should be accepted as it is everywhere. but here I've been asked to get them translated: my high school diploma, my master's, my undergrad. so it was a lot of steps and nobody was really clear on where to go, how to do it. FOMATPLAY how did you feel? PAULINE very confusing, honestly. it was very confusing. I wasn't getting annoyed because nobody had the clear answer: one person would say so, another had to say something else; and yet someone who had experienced this before was the one who helped us. and I was lucky she was already here so she could help me around because she could do things on the ground for me. FOMATPLAY hmm okay since you mentioned that um... what do you think of Brexit? or what did you think when Brexit happened? PAULINE so sad. I love traveling. it's pretty sad. um as an English teacher, being European and an English teacher, I'm gaining from them because, like sitting Europe... because they now need the visa. I don't need one. but it's quite sad because I think we had a great relationship with them. When I was there it was more or less when the vote happened and so many people told me "I didn't want that" but at the same time very few went voting and the one who voted to accept, really, the union where the older people who are not working, who are not traveling so much. so, I don't know, it's quite sad. and I think we need to remember that in the UK there are four different countries. so like who lives in Scotland, Wales, and even Northern Ireland. like Northern Ireland is such in a weird situation: they're part of Ireland but they're not part of it but they're still kind of Shengen but not quite and it's so it's sad. it's literally going backwards. FOMATPLAY and why do you think they didn't go to vote? this is interesting. PAULINE I don't know. to me the thing that surprised me the most was that thier voting day was on Thursday. in France we go to vote on Sundays because nobody's working or very few. they go to vote on Thursday. FOMATPLAY do you think that was made of purpose? PAULINE I don't know. apparently it's just common practice that they vote on Thursdays so... I don't know. if people were not concerned because they thought it wouldn't, like it wouldn't end... like there wouldn't be any consequences, any results. Like they had so many referendums beforehand and nothing really happened. They just dropped the bullets and said "whatever". FOMATPLAY what were the consequences of Brexit, of Brexit on your experience? How where you affected? PAULINE to me the only thing would be that it's harder if I were to go back to England to work. I used to do like summer school programs in England because it's... there are always so many students going there. so they are always looking for teachers over the summer. that's the main problem for me. I mean they're over this nation so it's not the end of the world. it is just sad because I would have loved to be able to visit more freely England. because I haven't been to England. like, I have been there for a year and a half but I was working so many hours and I didn't travel much. it was.... when you're a student you don't always have the money to travel wherever you want to. so I was hoping to be able to go back for the summer schools because they have ones in like the main cities around. it was just an easy way to go back, not so much anymore. FOMATPLAT okay. so what is Europe to you now? PAULINE still a great place to be. um I think we were so lucky: how it works, regulations, our freedom of um, traveling, transport, goods, people... um strangely enough even the money euro is quite amazing. we don't have to think when we go to the countries with euros. we don't have to exchange money first. um and I think nowadays we have so many organizations and group star and caring students, young people with ot without studies just trying to make room for everybody. I think it's a great place to be for-, compared to the US with everything that's happening. I don't know, I think we're very lucky to be here. FOMATPLAY and do you feel European? and if so in what way? PAULINE um... I think I need to be in a few more countries to really, really feel European first. But I do feel that I'm not to spread some part of something bigger and I have a lot of opportunities. as for example this master's from Finland; people from all over the globe are doing it and yet for Europeans it's free. and I think it's just amazing; all the possibilities are just our fingertips. FOMATPLAY have you benefited from all the Europe funded programs? If so which ones? PAULINE yeah. well I did my Erasmus when I was at university so that was... that one was European. I was lucky enough to go to Spain um... after that it was not European funded; it was more French funded because back then I think we didn't know as many programs as we do know. so sometimes I regret some of them that I kind of miss my chance. but yeah there are so many more and I wish young people, students or not, would know more about that. FOMATPLAY and how was Spain to you? PAULINE amazing! I loved it! I love the diversity of the food. the language to me was... um I don't know, it came quite easily um... many ask why Italian now is not so difficult. but Spanish. I had to learn it and yet it was so interesting. but I like how they are so much more liad back than French people; um and yeah they have pretty good universities there. they're quite good um channels in like knowledge, places where you really can get a lot and um... I think it was, it was also my first long term experience abroad so... new and so interesting. so it's quite nice. FOMATPLAY hmm so I think you said you feel... so part of you is French. so how would you define your Frenchness? I think the first one is the easiest, it is my love of food that is something you cannot take out of me. like even in Russia I was still trained to get my things like have very specific things I like um... but I think it's also in the way I think um... because when I was abroad it was either university and university is almost a universal language no matter where we're from and where we're studying. When I was in Russia it was language school. here for the first time I'm seeing the education system of another country almost from within the inside and I see how you guys are presenting math differently from France. it's not big but it takes the brain a little bit of gymnastic to get there; and to me it's just how French I am. It's how I connect certain dots, that obviously would connect in a different way; and how... I'd say, how organized is my mind in a certain way. FOMATPLAY okay. what do you miss the most about France? PAULINE the food. I'm sorry but I miss it every day. FOMATPLAY and I think I have another question about your period in Russia. so did you feel that you were not in Europe when you were there? PAULINE um for the visa part, yes. because we need a visa that was in the fee process, especially for teachers cause then they're working with kids um and also because they have some restrictions; for example there is a train that goes from Saint Petersburg to uh... think it was uh Helsinky... we could not get on the train because there were no borders it was only from Finnish people and Russian people, so it was a bit confusing. Finnish are as European as we are but... same with Belarus. so there were some limitations but on the other hand being in Moscow, which is such an international city, I did not feel like I was outside of Europe or anything else, yes. different money, difference like ratio of money, but it was still easy to deal with. FOMATPLAY how about the culture or the language? PAULINE so oddly... I did not learn it. I've just learnt like the real basics like: please, hello, I'm like this and... the country, they might seem cold when we first arrived. then when they see we're trying to make a little effort they're quite welcoming and friendly; very helpful. um but again, making friends if they themselves don't speak English, it was a bit hard so I didn't have that many Russian friends. they were few. we can definitely see a big difference between city people, young and old, but also countryside people, young and old; like there are-, we live big separations between all of those places, if I could say. so, it was quite an interesting thing; and I mean, Moscow is such an amazing city. FOMATPLAY have you ever encountered any kind of hostility towards you or European French and if so can you tell us anything about it? PAULINE I wouldn't say hostility per se but maybe, like, being in Barcelona, I remember speaking Spanish, [castillano], and they were not very happy because I was not speaking Catalan. It is a regional language and I explained "I'm like I'm sorry, I'm not even Spanish. I'm trying". And they fore more inclined afterwards and said like "okay, you already making an effort so I'll let it slide". um but other boys in in Russia maybe towards the end um, because I left when the war started; so... it was like getting longer than expected; so there was some kind of like "okay, you are a foreigner, you're not from here". But it wasn't that bad, I still have friends wjo are over there and they are fine. FOMATPLAT and what about the attitude of Italian people towards French people? PAULINE I don't know. I mean, most of them forget that I'm French most of the times, so.... I don't know. I don't think there's such hostility. FOMATPLAY or any other attitude that you might have noticed in terms of stereotypes or preconceived images of Frenchness or? PAULINE no. I don't think I have perceived any of that. I mean, it is true that in Naples they're not very open to tourists um but that I think is equal for any nationality. FOMATPLAY how have you perceived that? PAULINE well, easy. The first time I came, even before working here, was Easter weekend. Like it was holiday, so many tourists; everything was closed. Going to the restaurants, having waiters that, I don't know, like seem angry to be to be at work or couldn't be bothered with helping someone that is asking them something; or how the... But even for the locals. For example I cannot understand how a city as big as Naples can have a subway that closes at 10 PM, and on the weekend even like sometimes earlier. I cannot conceive that. Like, even in France, like, a city like Lyon that is less known than Naples, its subway runs later than that, until midnight and sometimes, one or two over the weekend or party days. Here it feels like if you don't have a car, if you're not local then you don't matter. That's the only thing here that, I don't know... I don't think it's hostility. it's just like "why bother? you got to go anyway because we are touristic". To me this is the feeling I got, when I got here. FOMATPLAY Ok, what kind of feeling do you-, tell us more. PAULINE that they are not interested in toursits. Like they, they don't want to make the effort because the tourism is coming to them anyway with Vesuvio and Naples being Naples. On the other hand, going to Salerno, to the Amalfi coast the switch is enormous. They are a lot more open minded to, like, think of what the tourists could do, where they could go, how to make everybody's life easier. So, yeah. I don't really get this difference between the Amalfi coast or Salerno and here. To me is still the same region, is still... like one draws from the other and vice versa. FOMATPLAY do you think it would be different if you lived for a longer time in Naples or? PAULINE possibly. But then I think it really depends on, again, who you meet, what is your job and how established you are; because when I meet most of the foreigners, most of them are married either to an Italian or they got married and moved here many, many years ago. Sorry. so I think it really depends on what is your, like, your love life, to say. FOMATPLAY is there anything else that you can't really tolerate about the Italian culture? or is there anything that you appreciate, on the other hand? PAULINE um I have to say here the driving, oh my gosh, it makes me mad. Mad and scared. I cannot understand how parents have infants in their arms when they're driving or the phone. It, it just gives me the the chills. I have seen the kids coming at school in the morning and I'm stressed just seeing the cars coming in. And it's, I don't know; I don't have kids but just seeing it makes me, makes me feel like something's wrong. um on the other hand, I think Italians can be really funny. they're quite affectionate. it's hard to get in but once you're in they're quite affectionate, they're quite nice and friendly. Whereas the kids behaving with their teachers at school, very, it's very kind, very benevolent. FOMATPLAY anything else about the national values that you..? PAULINE I don't know. I don't think I have visited enough to... if I have to compare, like, I spent a few days in Milan and Rome and here. it did not feel the same in the north, at all. FOMATPLAY how did you feel? PAULINE peaceful, quiet. I'm really sorry. I love you guys here but... like, I think the one obvious example is I was in Milan before coming back for the school year for a few days. I visited it. um people were smiling everywhere but the weather was dreadful. in Milan, yeah. like I don't know it felt like summer. Even if it was raining like cats and dogs, like buckets, it was so bad; and yet people were smiling with friendly, welcoming tourists and it felt really peaceful. We got on the train it was so quiet and peaceful. We pass Rome, and it's not a joke, we pass Rome, like the people getting off our room got off and we're in direction of Naples; Naples was, like, the next stop and suddenly it's like the volume on the train doubled, or tripled. like, it's like "oh we're not in the north anymore. we're home". and it sounded like chatting, being really loud. I can tell you what the person that was three seats in-, behind me was telling his friend. And, I don't know, maybe it's after going to Russia, where everybody is so nice and polite out, that in transport it makes me cringe sometimes when I see like they're so loud and they don't care they really don't care about people around them. FOMATPLAY other things that you... um maybe anything else that you, um, that you enjoy? that you like being here? PAULINE well, I do enjoy having longer seasons, like longer springs with, like, nicer weather and not dreadful weather. but I thought the weather would be better; like, I don't know. it's very humid, there's no-... when it's hot, it's stuffing hot. it's not not fresh; there's no ocean, like, air. and what surprised me the most I think is although Naples is on the sea you don't really have infrastructure to enjoy the sea. so, you know? I talked to Italians and they say "yeah, because it's a port city". Yeah? my mom's city is a port city, we build cruise ships, and we have so many beaches all over the town or parks. Here there are very few parks. very few. And it is not accessible for people living in the town or with buses. like the buses are not reliable enough to leave town and enjoy all the nature that you can find. so it's a bit sad. but otherwise... yeah, the ice cream is nice. different way of life. FOMATPLAY okay. and how would you define yourself as a person? I want to go back to the identity theme, also in relation to this other, you know? different situations in which you have lived. PAULINE it's a hard one because it is screwed up when we talk different language; depending which language we're using, we always changing our like point of view. as a French person I would say, if I'm just looking at the French perspective, I'd say I'm someone that is quite um... organizing what I want and how I want it. but then if I go with the English side where I have, where I have traveled more and discovered new things, and use some wonky ways of travelling, I realize I'm a lot more chill I can adapt better but at the same time I can still feel this like underlying Frenchness where I'm like "no. this is not not acceptable. like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not changing no matter what you want. this is where it needs to stop". so, I think the more languages we learn the more we travel and discover, the more our own perspective on ourselves changes. when I was in Spain I thought I was like super chill nothing would like disturb me and then I went with more English and I'm scared like "no I like actually more regimented things". then I went to Russia and I'm like yeah "I like it, okay. you're disorganized from a certain point of view. here, like, you're chilled, like it, but I don't like how disorganized you are. So I think we become more of a Tetris; so it becomes harder to, like, decide exactly just one categorization of who we are. FOMATPLAY and how do you combine opposite French pieces of this jigsaw puzzle? PAULINE I think it really depends. I think I have moments in more than ones like... if I talking English, I'm gonna be more like my English self. if I am with my French people it's gonna be more... I think it's just a rotation. You never forget things but the same time there's always a new thing coming forward depending the language. I think that's the only way to explain it. FOMATPLAY so you think that the language that we speak actually sort of affects the way you behave or you communicate, or? PAULINE yeah. maybe not behave per se, but how your thoughts are formed, how you express yourself. I mean it is known that you feel time differently depending the language. and um... so I think it also affects how we are relating to other people. I can say-, for example in France we are not as um touchy feelings as Spain or here but yes we have like the traditional kisses on the cheeks but that's a bit it. um... here I noticed that everybody is always like hugging or holding hands or arms; even guys, which is great. it's like inclusive. but in France we wouldn't have so much of that. um and at the same time Spanish people would be like ways ahead and like... FOMATPLAY okay, yes. um so you still have family in France, right? so you keep speaking with them and you...? PAULINE I am also able to jump back on a plane very quickly. FOMATPLAY okay. how often do you get to go back to France? PAULINE not a lot, unfortunately. Our school has very few holidays: Christmas and Easter. So it's about it. but I want to find somewhere where I can go, like, every week back, every few months; that'd be nice. I have a baby back home that I want to see grow. um okay so where is home uh for you? so where do you feel you belong? PAULINE hard to say. It used to be my childhood house but it got sold; my dad moved; my mom moved; that was a good solution. It was way too big. It's hard to feel at home, at home. and after having lived alone in Russia for a while it's even hard sometimes to go back to sharing apartments. Like, you live alone, you miss people. But then you live with them and I'm like-, I miss being alone. So I think I most feel at home, even if it's not at home at home, at my brother's because um my baby niece was born last um... so not this one, the one before-, last January. I came back in France mid March because of the war and when she was a baby she had lots of health issues and I had decided to take six months before coming here to work, because I knew I could only start in September, to just chill, be with my family that I haven't seen in like almost 3 years. And I was lucky enough to be able to say "look, I have my savings" and they were happy to welcome me. I was just with her and my sister in law for like 4 or 5 months. So I developed a feeling there. although it's not my house, it's something, the closest thing to home. But again, they don't live in... they don't live where I grew up. so I don't know the region. It's really just their place, like their courtyard. As soon as I leave I'm like "oh yeah, okay. it's another apartment, it's another region, as we say in France. FOMATPLAY so home to you is more of a, more like a feeling or a place or a memory? PAULINE feeling with people. I mean it's really the mix of feeling with people because it's hard to get this feeling without people. Right now if I just come here like "yeah, okay. I'm home but it's just like we are here temporarily. whereas my brother, I know that he's built the house. It's theirs, they're gonna keep it. And they are not planning to sell. so it's more fixed, like a fixed part. so... because he's my younger brother like there's more time. Because that could get attached to my dad's house or my mom's house. but cycle of life makes it that they're going to go before my brother, hopefully many years. um but I think it's also just a safety net that I knew they have their own house and they are 26- 27 so they have their whole life ahead. FOMATPLAY and have you ever perceived Europe as your home versus when you were in the States or in Canada? FOMATPLAY I've... I would talk more maybe about home-based, rather than home, home. because, again, I don't think I have discovered enough of Europe all over to say Europe is my home. um yeah. I can't even say France is my home. because, again, it's too generic. there're too many things in there. and I wouldn't be able to live in Paris; just like I don't think I would like it in Naples. so I think it's really a particular point in time and space with certain people that makes it happen. FOMATPLAY um just out of curiosity, what is the future of Europe? PAULINE right now that's a very difficult question, with what's happening out of its doors. I really wish, I really wish the best, for it to continue and if we could help euro countries like Ukraine that'd be lovely because um... unfortunately I was unable to see pictures of it but it used to be a wonderful country. It still is; just in Rumples. um... so I think it's hard to say you're a European if you haven't travelled a lot in Europe and so far my travel has been more outside of Europe: Russia, US, Canada. uh but I'd like to feel European with, like, how the decisions are made and how interested I am in um the European Parliament and which programmes are developing to help european people. FOMATPLAY so what do you think of the EU situation in general? do you have a... PAULINE I tend to be more positive and negative, I don't think they're all perfect, all of that. I think it's quite beneficial for most countries involved. okay, there are too many I think unknowns; like we don't know enough of the EU unless we're really interested in it and I think that's quite sad. I don't know if it's our education system that wants that or simply that's always evolving and they missed the opportunity to keep educating people along their life, possibly it. FOMATPLAY so would you like to know more? PAULINE yes, because I mean, they're always creating something within the EU, they always have new things going on. the problem is knowing how much to tell people on the general scale and how much to not tell them if they're just interested in the general idea. because, maybe this new generation is getting better at it, but I think there's too much on the internet; there's too much on there and it's hard to find exactly what you want, or simply like the bigger fats. I know you get more than bare facts, you get your idea but it's a good, like um... direction to start with. FOMATPLAY super interesting. um... all right can you tell us maybe a little bit more about how you have experienced freedom of movement in the EU? yes... PAULINE well my Erasmus program; literally, just build paper up before you leave. I went, that was it. Same with England back then, it was very easy. um living also in Burgundy um... for me place depending on where I'm going sometimes it's better Lyon, sometimes better, better Geneva; it's in another country but yet sometimes they have direct lines or cheaper prices and it's, what? maybe just an hour extraway, so it's still so close. and I think that Europe being so small compared to other countries, that we have also this facility to say oh I went to another country. Because if we put Europe on the US is like just one small country, more or less. so the Americans say yeah I went to the other side of the country, it's like us visiting half Europe. so I think we need to remember that it's okay to visit or not visit but we should enjoy all we can because we never know what's gonna happen. maybe what's coming. FOMATPLAY um, okay. I think we are at the end of our interview. now we have a set of uh short questions. I'm gonna ask you. you can um choose to answer also in a sentence if you want to. yeah, okay. so how would you sum up your FOM, so freedom of movement experience or experiences across the EU so far? in one sentence? PAULINE amazing concept. FOMATPLAY and how would you feel if your freedom of movement was removed? PAULINE as... what I hope as a free traveller, I'd be annoyed; deeply annoyed. FOMATPLAY what would you do? PAULINE I think I will still continue to do it but I would have to plan a lot more ahead and be more conscious of when how and where whereas now we can just say where. Whereas now you can just say "oh I have a day off where would I go?" FOMATPLAY where's home and where do you feel you belong? PAULINE hard one... um, home is with my family wherever they are and I belong to okay yeah I think I belong to Europe or anywhere else. because I can't pinpoint where. FOMATPLAY how do you feel in Italy? PAULINE Southern Italy is something special. so... FOMATPLAY In a good or in a bad way? PAULINE here precisely, leaning more toward the bad than the good, but um... it's nice to see something else, it's always nice to discover and.. how would we know that we don't like it if we don't try it? so true. FOMATPLAY yes, and what do you miss the most of your home country? PAULINE varsity-, varsity-, variety of food. because I think having this argument with people here they say "we have so many different dishes here". yes, based on pasta. "But there's [parmigiana]". yes pasta, [parmigiana]... I'm waiting. in France we are such a difficult country as it-, but food wise, like people, especially my region; because we've got everything: we've got the meat, the cheese. so we are known to be picky eaters when we go abroad and I recognize it now more than ever because here it's very local, like you have few, even restaurants, you have few outside restaurant that are not Italian. so it's not very diverse so... I miss the diversity of food here, really. FOMATPLAY would you take the same decisions if you could go back in time? why so? why not? PAULINE like for all the decisions of me, like every country? Spain, definitely. Russia, yes. but I would have pushed myself to travel more before Covid happened because most of our visas ran out while we were there and we were waiting almost day to day the extensions; sometimes we had extension; but when it was finishing they only made the new extension the following day, so we kind of look overnight. and because like it was easier while I had like a proper visa, uh easily... I don't know. I mean, I Learned; I did different things: went to international school, um I'm not sure I would have accepted the job after having visiting Naples and going to work first. FOMATPLAY who are you? could you define yourself using three or four words? PAULINE a woman who travels and has food. FOMATPLAY wonderful. I think this is the best way to . thank you for the interview. PAULINE my pleasure. FOMATPLAY That's sweet.